{"id":1192,"date":"2021-12-20T14:36:23","date_gmt":"2021-12-20T13:36:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/e-v-o.org\/?p=1192"},"modified":"2022-10-14T14:11:17","modified_gmt":"2022-10-14T12:11:17","slug":"escalade-et-responsabilite-en-falaise","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/e-v-o.org\/index.php\/2021\/12\/20\/escalade-et-responsabilite-en-falaise\/","title":{"rendered":"Escalade et responsabilit\u00e9 en falaise"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Cadre l\u00e9gislatif&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">La loi Fran\u00e7aise s\u2019appuie sur le principe du \u00ab\u202f<\/span><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">gardien de la chose<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u202f\u00bb. Contrairement au syst\u00e8me anglo saxon o\u00f9 c\u2019est le \u00ab\u202f\u00e0 vos risques et p\u00e9rils\u202f\u00bb qui pr\u00e9vaut.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Exemple<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u202f: En France un voleur p\u00e9n\u00e8tre dans votre jardin et se noie dans votre piscine non prot\u00e9g\u00e9e : la famille du voleur vous fera un proc\u00e8s \u2026\u2026..qu\u2019elle risque de gagner<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Pourquoi\u202f? Parce que tout&nbsp;se&nbsp;qui se passe chez vous est de votre responsabilit\u00e9 selon le principe du<\/span><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">&nbsp;gardien de la chose.<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">En France toutes les falaises appartiennent \u00e0 \u00ab\u202fquelqu\u2019un\u202f\u00bb, personne physique (Vous ou moi) ou personne morale (mairie, d\u00e9partement, communaut\u00e9 de communes&nbsp;\u2026.)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Afin de permettre la pratique&nbsp;du&nbsp;plus grand&nbsp;nombre ,&nbsp;la FFME (\u00e0 laquelle vous \u00eates affili\u00e9es via EVO) signe des conventions avec&nbsp;les propri\u00e9taires afin d\u2019all\u00e9ger leurs&nbsp;responsabilit\u00e9s.&nbsp;<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">C\u2019est l\u2019assurance de la FFME (Allianz,&nbsp;cabinet&nbsp;Gomis&nbsp;\u00e0 Toulouse) qui&nbsp;couvre&nbsp;&nbsp;les&nbsp;grimpeurs&nbsp;depuis que cette politique de conventionnement a \u00e9t\u00e9 mise en place au d\u00e9but des ann\u00e9es 90.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>Oui mais&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">En 2010 un accident a eu lieu dans le sud de la France.&nbsp;(Vingrau)&nbsp;Un grimpeur a fait tomber un rocher&nbsp;de plusieurs tonnes&nbsp;sur sa compagne qui l\u2019assurait 12 m\u00e8tres plus bas.&nbsp;<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Bilan\u202f: Amputation du bras pour la jeune fille, chute de 12 m pour le grimpeur (4 ans d\u2019interruption de travail)<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Facile d\u2019imaginer les frais engag\u00e9s\u202f!&nbsp;<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Les assurances des grimpeurs mettent le nez dans le dossier et, compte tenu des frais ,se retournent contre \u2026\u2026\u2026.La ffme qui avait conventionn\u00e9 la falaise. Les d\u00e9dommagements fr\u00f4lent les 1\u202f400\u202f000 euros (vous avez bien lus 1 400 000).<br \/>\n<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Apr\u00e8s des ann\u00e9es de proc\u00e8s et de rebondissement, la FFME a \u00e9t\u00e9 reconnu responsable en d\u00e9cembre 2020 car, \u00e0 travers les conventionnements, la f\u00e9d\u00e9ration se porte garant et est donc responsable de ce qui se passe \u00ab\u202fchez elle\u202f\u00bb (le fameux <\/span><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00ab\u202fgardien de la chose<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u202f\u00bb)<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>Le(s) paradoxe\u202f(s)\u202f:&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Les grimpeurs&nbsp;en cause dans&nbsp;l\u2019accident&nbsp;&nbsp;n\u2019\u00e9taient&nbsp;pas affili\u00e9s \u00e0 la FFME.&nbsp;<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Il faut savoir qu\u2019on compte en France un peu plus d\u20191\u202f000\u202f000 de grimpeurs r\u00e9guliers (3\u202f000\u202f000 occasionnels) pour 108\u202f000 affili\u00e9s \u00e0 la FFME&nbsp;&nbsp;et 70\u202f000 au CAF. Ce sont ces grimpeurs qui paient pour \u00e9quiper les falaises car une partie de votre licence sert \u00e0 financer l\u2019\u00e9quipement des falaises, leur entretien, leur r\u00e9am\u00e9nagement\u2026.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Ce sont \u00e9galement ces grimpeurs qui paient une assurance pour couvrir ceux qui, de l\u2019autre c\u00f4t\u00e9, pratique en \u00ab\u202fsauvage\u202f\u00bb (comme ce fut le cas \u00e0 Vingrau) mais qui, malgr\u00e9 tout, b\u00e9n\u00e9ficie de l\u2019assurance de la f\u00e9d\u00e9ration. (que vous payez)<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">D\u00e8s qu\u2019une falaise est conventionn\u00e9e (elles le sont presque toutes) la ffme est responsable. <\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Sauf que, vous le savez, une falaise vit au jour le jour. C\u2019est un milieu naturel qui \u00e9volue et qu\u2019il est difficile d\u2019aseptiser.&nbsp;Les accidents sont \u00ab\u202fprobables\u202f\u00bb car la nature est changeante et \u00e9volutive. C\u2019est&nbsp;la m\u00eame chose&nbsp;pour la mer, les rivi\u00e8res, les chemins de randonn\u00e9es\u2026\u2026. Rien n\u2019est fig\u00e9 comme une&nbsp;SAE ,&nbsp; un court de tennis, un terrain de foot.&nbsp;\u2026<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>Une affaire de gros sous&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">L\u2019assurance&nbsp;Gomis&nbsp;ne&nbsp;veut&nbsp;&nbsp;donc&nbsp;plus couvrir&nbsp; la FFME.&nbsp;<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Pourquoi\u202f?<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Le calcul est simple\u202f: Quand vous payez votre adh\u00e9sion au club (entre 120 et 140 euros) ,EVO&nbsp;reverse 62 euros \u00e0 la FFME. Environ 15&nbsp;euros de cette somme&nbsp;est allou\u00e9e \u00e0&nbsp;l\u2019assurance.&nbsp;Et&nbsp;croyez moi, vous \u00eates bien assur\u00e9s.&nbsp;<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Soit 108\u202f000*15= 1\u202f620\u202f000<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Gomis perd donc de l\u2019argent avec la FFME&nbsp;&nbsp;car l\u2019accident de Vingrau n\u2019est pas le seul. La f\u00e9d\u00e9 couvre tous les grimpeurs au quotidien, les petits comme les gros bobos.&nbsp;<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Il est ais\u00e9 de comprendre qu\u2019\u00e0 ce jour aucune assurance ne reprendra le dossier compte tenu de la loi en cours. <\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">De plus, le proc\u00e8s de&nbsp;Vingrau&nbsp;a fait jurisprudence et la&nbsp;f\u00e9d\u00e9 est, de&nbsp;nouveau,&nbsp;&nbsp;attaqu\u00e9e&nbsp;suite \u00e0 deux accidents l\u00e9g\u00e8rement similaires.&nbsp;(on&nbsp;atteindrait les 2\u202f000\u202f000 d\u2019euros&nbsp;de d\u00e9dommagement)<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Gomis va donc \u00eatre contraint de payer des sommes consid\u00e9rables alors que, d\u2019un autre c\u00f4t\u00e9, les rentr\u00e9es d\u2019argent ne suivent pas.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>Plusieurs&nbsp;&nbsp;solutions\u202f:&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li data-leveltext=\"-\" data-font=\"Calibri\" data-listid=\"1\" aria-setsize=\"-1\" data-aria-posinset=\"32\" data-aria-level=\"1\"><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Que la loi change (ce qui risque&nbsp;d\u2019arriver&nbsp; d\u2019apr\u00e8s&nbsp;les r\u00e9centes&nbsp; infos )<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233279&quot;:true,&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li data-leveltext=\"-\" data-font=\"Calibri\" data-listid=\"1\" aria-setsize=\"-1\" data-aria-posinset=\"32\" data-aria-level=\"1\"><span data-contrast=\"auto\">La&nbsp;ffme&nbsp;d\u00e9conventionne les falaises (c\u2019est d\u00e9j\u00e0 le cas pour nombre d\u2019entres&nbsp;elles suite aux conclusions du proc\u00e8s&nbsp;de&nbsp;Vingrau)<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233279&quot;:true,&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li data-leveltext=\"-\" data-font=\"Calibri\" data-listid=\"1\" aria-setsize=\"-1\" data-aria-posinset=\"32\" data-aria-level=\"1\"><span data-contrast=\"auto\">La f\u00e9d\u00e9 augmente la part de l\u2019assurance. On parle de 10&nbsp;euros&nbsp;&nbsp;de&nbsp;plus&nbsp;dans les ann\u00e9es prochaines. La f\u00e9d\u00e9 ne peut prendre cette d\u00e9cision qu\u2019en accord avec les comit\u00e9s, les&nbsp;ligues, les pr\u00e9sidents de clubs.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233279&quot;:true,&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li data-leveltext=\"-\" data-font=\"Calibri\" data-listid=\"1\" aria-setsize=\"-1\" data-aria-posinset=\"32\" data-aria-level=\"1\"><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Les propri\u00e9taires s\u2019assurent eux-m\u00eames pour leur falaise.<br \/>\n<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">&#8211; <\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Inimaginable pour un particulier de prendre en charge une telle responsabilit\u00e9.<br \/>\n<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">&#8211; Les communes, quant \u00e0 elles,&nbsp;&nbsp;se refusent \u00e0 le faire parce que le grimpeur n\u2019est pas forc\u00e9ment le bienvenu sur leur territoire. L\u2019image du grimpeur est assez \u00ab\u202fobscure\u202f\u00bb pour le grand public et pour les \u00e9lus\u202f!!!. Le pratiquant est per\u00e7u comme peu consommateur (voir m\u00eame comme un crevard car il ne se nourrit que de graines, vit un dans un camion et ne se lave qu\u2019aux torrents des rivi\u00e8res). IL n\u2019apporte donc pas de plus value commerciale hormis \u00e0 quelques grandes \u00ab\u202fstations\u202f\u00bb d\u2019escalade (Orpierre, Buis les baronnies, Ailefroide\u2026\u2026 Et d\u2019autres haut lieu de la grimpe&nbsp;&nbsp;sur lesquelles les mairies ont accept\u00e9 de communiquer \u00e0 des fins politiques)<br \/>\n<\/span><strong style=\"font-size: 1.125rem;\">&nbsp;<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><strong style=\"font-size: 1.125rem;\">Notre avis \u00e0 EVO<br \/>\n<\/strong><br \/>\nNous avons \u00e9t\u00e9 sollicit\u00e9s, en tant que pr\u00e9sident de club,&nbsp;pour connaitre notre avis sur l\u2019augmentation de la part assurance de notre licence.&nbsp;<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Difficile de se&nbsp;prononcer&nbsp;&nbsp;et&nbsp;plusieurs choix s\u2019offrent \u00e0 nous&nbsp;\u202f:<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">1\/&nbsp;Nous&nbsp;refusons&nbsp;&nbsp;l\u2019augmentation&nbsp;= Plus de falaises (Gloup\u2019s)<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">2\/&nbsp;Nous&nbsp;l\u2019acceptons&nbsp;&nbsp;=&nbsp;nous&nbsp;&nbsp;demandons&nbsp;un effort financier&nbsp; \u00e0&nbsp;nos&nbsp;&nbsp;licenci\u00e9s Orl\u00e9anais qui&nbsp;ne&nbsp;vont grimper&nbsp;que&nbsp;trop rarement en falaise.&nbsp;&nbsp;Cet effort va&nbsp;permettre \u00e0 certains&nbsp;\u00ab\u202fmontagnards\u202f\u00bb&nbsp;d\u2019\u00eatre assur\u00e9s sans avoir \u00e0 payer le moindre centime. Ils sont,&nbsp;je le rappelle&nbsp;selon les estimations, pr\u00e8s de&nbsp;800\u202f000 \u00e0 s\u2019amuser&nbsp;r\u00e9guli\u00e8rement sur les falaises Fran\u00e7aises.&nbsp;<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Y aurait pas un&nbsp;paradoxe&nbsp; l\u00e0&nbsp;encore\u202f?<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">En effet,&nbsp; ceux qui paient ne pratique pas, ou peu. (en tout cas \u00e0 Orl\u00e9ans) et ceux qui pratiquent ne contribuent&nbsp;&nbsp;pas \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9quipement, entretien, assurance\u2026<br \/>\n<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>Conclusions&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Nous attendons et accueillerons donc&nbsp;&nbsp;avec joie le changement de la loi qui semble se profiler car le d\u00e9-conventionnement g\u00e9n\u00e9ral risquerait de nous faire mal\u2026..Tr\u00e8s mal&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Le r\u00e9sum\u00e9 ci-dessus ne saurait traduire exhaustivement toutes les&nbsp;tensions ,&nbsp;choix, politiques qui r\u00e8gnent dans le milieu de la grimpe en France.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">La f\u00e9d\u00e9 est accus\u00e9e, en son sein m\u00eame, de n\u2019avoir pas su g\u00e9rer sa politique de conventionnement depuis 30 ans. <\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Certains l\u2019accusent d\u2019avoir tout mis\u00e9 sur les SAE, la comp\u00e9tition, l\u2019Olympisme \u00e0 des fins p\u00e9cuniaires. <\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">D\u2019autres lui reprochent son centralisme de \u00ab\u202fbobo\u202f\u00bb Parisiens \u00e9loign\u00e9s de la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 du terrain.&nbsp;<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Bref, ce n\u2019est pas simple et, je constate, impuissant, que notre pratique est entre les&nbsp;mains&nbsp;,&nbsp;une fois de plus,&nbsp;des assureurs et des politiques. L\u2019escalade n\u2019\u00e9chappe pas \u00e0 la judiciarisation du monde et encore moins aux enjeux financiers qui le gouvernent.&nbsp;<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Sur ce\u202f: Bonne grimpe&nbsp;<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Chris&nbsp;<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335551550&quot;:6,&quot;335551620&quot;:6}\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Cadre l\u00e9gislatif&nbsp; La loi Fran\u00e7aise s\u2019appuie sur le principe du \u00ab\u202fgardien de la chose\u202f\u00bb. 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